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Post by Paul Magno on Jul 29, 2009 2:08:24 GMT -5
Check out this blog piece by the BTBC's very own wunderkind, Dafs117: www.btbc-boxing.blogspot.com/So, what do you think? Was Hamed a fraud? How would you rate him and his legacy?
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Post by gemini on Jul 29, 2009 13:09:11 GMT -5
i dont think he was a fraud he had a good chin and alot of power.
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Post by Dafs117 on Jul 29, 2009 13:49:03 GMT -5
I'm glad that somebody agrees ;D
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Post by Paul Magno on Jul 29, 2009 14:36:59 GMT -5
I agree as well...Hamed had a great run. His mistake was going out with a whimper after the Barrera fight, but his career and accomplishments were outstanding...
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Post by littlelee on Jul 29, 2009 14:40:13 GMT -5
I wasn't a Hamed fan by any means, as a person or as a fighter, but have to give him respect for what he did achieve. Pound-for-pound it's hard to think of many that could compete with the single-shot power that he possessed in either hand. He cleaned up a solid (if unspectacular) division, made a fortune, and retired healthy. What more could a fighter ask for?
But he was pretty much a fighter on the slide from the age of about 23. He was no longer dedicated to the sport and his technique and conditioning deteriorated clearly but gradually over a 4 year span when he should instead have been honing his skills at the highest level. He allowed himself to be dragged down to the level of his inferior opposition and seemed to revel in it. "I took all his shots but he couldn't take mine" was his favourite saying after almost every fight. It often sounded as though he was bragging about his lack of defence.
By the time he eventually got in against an A-star opponent it was too late. He thought he was going to turn up unprepared against Barrera and walk right through him the way he had with almost every one else he faced in recent years but clearly got that one massively wrong.
The other major flaw that he had, of course, was his mouth. If you're going to talk big, you'd better back it up. I remember him claiming that people would be talking about him as The Greatest rather than Ali, while Brendan Ingle was claiming that he'd win titles all the way up to Super Middleweight. Ridiculous claims that only serve to irritate those in the know (and, on this occasion, Max Kellerman).
It was no wonder that people were so quick to jump on him when his career and life subsequently took turns for the worst. They basically compare the fighter he was against the fighter he should have been and use that as a stick to beat him with.
I don't lose sleep about Hamed failing to reach his potential but that doesn't mean that he was anything less than a seriously talented fighter.
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Post by Dafs117 on Jul 29, 2009 16:05:37 GMT -5
Kellerman really annoyed me when he said that thing about Gamboa. I still remember his fake face with a massive smile on his face like he'd said the best joke ever! Prick!
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Post by Charlie 21er on Jul 29, 2009 23:42:39 GMT -5
Personally I don't like Hamed because he was such a noisy prick. But I don't think you can slam Hamed without slamming Mcguigan, both had lame endings to their careers (although Mcguigan didn't avenge or follow up his loss at all).
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Post by Paul Magno on Jul 30, 2009 0:44:17 GMT -5
Personally I don't like Hamed because he was such a noisy prick. But I don't think you can slam Hamed without slamming Mcguigan, both had lame endings to their careers (although Mcguigan didn't avenge or follow up his loss at all). Good to see your name on here again, Charlie...I thought you'd gone the way of our pal, Old Marine....
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Post by littlelee on Jul 30, 2009 3:02:28 GMT -5
Personally I don't like Hamed because he was such a noisy prick. But I don't think you can slam Hamed without slamming Mcguigan, both had lame endings to their careers (although Mcguigan didn't avenge or follow up his loss at all). I'm not sure that I understand the parallels with Mcguigan. Naseem lost his titles when having his dignity handed to him over 12 rounds in an air-conditioned indoor arena and followed that up by spending his peak years in fish and chip shops and prison. Mcguigan lost his title (narrowly) over 15 rounds in 100 degree heat and then spent 2 years out of the ring because of management disputes and legal wranglings. He had another crack at getting a title shot, admitted he'd lost a bit of edge and walked away after losing an eliminator on cuts. I bet Mcguigan finds it a lot easier to look himself in the mirror every morning than Naz does. I'm fully behind your 'noisy prick' stance though.
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Post by nyboxingguy on Jul 30, 2009 11:00:35 GMT -5
Hamed, how I miss him (lol). I brought into the hype, loved the ring entrances, and he did have concussive power, but he ran into Barrera and was never the same. Beside his later troubles outside the ring, Hamed made a lot of money in his brief career, and I think that was his downfall - lost his desire and wasn't hungry anymore. Was he fraud, IMO - NO - but we could only wonder what he could have been
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Post by gemini on Jul 30, 2009 11:16:53 GMT -5
he didnt do too badly, i dont think it matters that barrera beat him it doesnt take away what he achieved and no one can match his ring entrances, its all very entertaining www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Hbt2wpAu0he also comes over as a really nice person now, better than he was when he was boxing. its good he quit when he did and concentrated on his children and family, its what he wanted.
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Post by gemini on Jul 30, 2009 11:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by Charlie 21er on Aug 1, 2009 0:30:14 GMT -5
Personally I don't like Hamed because he was such a noisy prick. But I don't think you can slam Hamed without slamming Mcguigan, both had lame endings to their careers (although Mcguigan didn't avenge or follow up his loss at all). Good to see your name on here again, Charlie...I thought you'd gone the way of our pal, Old Marine.... I've been working on this independent feature driving vehicles with the teamsters. 16 hour days not spent posting on BTBC. I can't think of the last time I actually saw a fight...Eddie Chambers?
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Post by mecky1888 on Aug 1, 2009 5:50:32 GMT -5
hamed was magic seen him live many times made to much money to soon and bye the time he fought barrea he had lost intrest never trained for the fight if he had ther is no doubt he would have took him out his best finish was against augie sanchez pure brutal
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Post by Paul Magno on Aug 1, 2009 6:34:22 GMT -5
Good to see your name on here again, Charlie...I thought you'd gone the way of our pal, Old Marine.... I've been working on this independent feature driving vehicles with the teamsters. 16 hour days not spent posting on BTBC. I can't think of the last time I actually saw a fight...Eddie Chambers? Damn, teamsters...you must be getting fat...
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