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Post by Charlie 21er on Oct 18, 2009 16:39:44 GMT -5
Easier said than done, mate. Abraham is a beast and has fight ending KO power in both hands. From the 6th round on he starts letting his hands go and is very, very dangerous. Still, we'll see what happens when someone actually takes the fight to Abraham...one 10 second flurry per round won't be enough to take this thing...I'll go on record, right now (although I detest making long-term predictions) that unless something changes, Abraham won't win another fight in the tournament... I wonder if Dirrell learned enough from his fight to know that he needs to bring it all night as opposed to potshotting, especially if he wants to win in Europe. As to the champion getting close rounds, that's dumb. It's close, but not even, so the guy who did the better work should get it. The judge needs to sit there with his pad of paper and think for a minute as to who really did the better work (this goes for even rounds as well, as I rarely see a round that would actually be scored even). I can just imagine some lazy dumbass judge sitting there thinking, man, that round was close, I don't knoooooooowwwwww....well, he's the champ so I'll give it to him. Or man, that round was close, I don't knoooooooowwwwww, well, I'll just score it even. Just lazyness. Watch the damn fight and figure out who's doing better. Also, Magno's right, you can't sit there and think of the hypotheticals like it's Being John Malkovich in there. You rarely, really would know what the fighters thinking (unless it's Gatti who was pretty expressive) so you can only go off of the work that the two fighters did. The judge's job is to judge the fight, not be a damn psychologist.
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Post by smoothstyle1 on Oct 18, 2009 19:45:42 GMT -5
Easier said than done, mate. Abraham is a beast and has fight ending KO power in both hands. From the 6th round on he starts letting his hands go and is very, very dangerous. Still, we'll see what happens when someone actually takes the fight to Abraham...one 10 second flurry per round won't be enough to take this thing...I'll go on record, right now (although I detest making long-term predictions) that unless something changes, Abraham won't win another fight in the tournament... Dirrell has the tools but not the mentality/disposition to put those tools to the highest and best use. Dirrell is simply not aggressive enough to beat a hard bastard like Abraham. If he fought Abraham like he fought rounds 10 and 11 vs. Froch he would have a good chance. I just don’t see that happening for a full 12 rounds.
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Post by Charlie 21er on Oct 18, 2009 21:16:43 GMT -5
Still, we'll see what happens when someone actually takes the fight to Abraham...one 10 second flurry per round won't be enough to take this thing...I'll go on record, right now (although I detest making long-term predictions) that unless something changes, Abraham won't win another fight in the tournament... Dirrell has the tools but not the mentality/disposition to put those tools to the highest and best use. Dirrell is simply not aggressive enough to beat a hard bastard like Abraham. If he fought Abraham like he fought rounds 10 and 11 vs. Froch he would have a good chance. I just don’t see that happening for a full 12 rounds. The question is whether or not he learned from his Froch fight and puts the lessons into use. He now has the knowledge...hopefully he uses it.
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Post by Paul Magno on Oct 18, 2009 21:28:49 GMT -5
Still, we'll see what happens when someone actually takes the fight to Abraham...one 10 second flurry per round won't be enough to take this thing...I'll go on record, right now (although I detest making long-term predictions) that unless something changes, Abraham won't win another fight in the tournament... Dirrell has the tools but not the mentality/disposition to put those tools to the highest and best use. Dirrell is simply not aggressive enough to beat a hard bastard like Abraham. If he fought Abraham like he fought rounds 10 and 11 vs. Froch he would have a good chance. I just don’t see that happening for a full 12 rounds. I think you're giving Abraham way too much credit...Except for that one punch, there was absolutely nothing impressive about his performance yesterday...Taylor could've easily been up 7-0 going into the eight if he wasn't so..."Taylorly." But, of course, the judging was another issue...107-102 at the time of the stoppage? As for Dirrell-Abraham, if you've ever wanted to make a painting of a pro fighter, this'll be your chance...We're gonna see 12 rounds of Abraham standing there, posing, with his hands up and Dirrell just hanging around on the outside...
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Post by ste100 on Oct 19, 2009 3:07:52 GMT -5
to be honest paul, i thought abraham had a clear victory on the cards before the ko.
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Post by Paul Magno on Oct 19, 2009 3:37:53 GMT -5
to be honest paul, i thought abraham had a clear victory on the cards before the ko. define "clear." I had Abraham up by two points (and one of those points was the deduction)...Honestly, it should've been very hard to give any of the early rounds to a fighter who was, literally, just fighting about 10 seconds of each round... Take that 107-102 score...let's say Abraham wins that last round...that makes it 117-111, 9 rounds to 3...Really?
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Post by ste100 on Oct 19, 2009 7:30:45 GMT -5
i wouldnt argue with a 5 or 6 round difference paul.
i havent rewatched the fight, but apart from a few rounds early where abraham did little i didnt give taylor anything later on in the fight.
taylor seemed happy to jab at abrahams defence, and abraham seemed able to hit taylor when he wanted.
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Post by PBD on Oct 19, 2009 9:04:16 GMT -5
to be honest paul, i thought abraham had a clear victory on the cards before the ko. define "clear." I had Abraham up by two points (and one of those points was the deduction)...Honestly, it should've been very hard to give any of the early rounds to a fighter who was, literally, just fighting about 10 seconds of each round... Take that 107-102 score...let's say Abraham wins that last round...that makes it 117-111, 9 rounds to 3...Really? I actually had it 9 rounds to 3 for Abraham, and I could have budged to 8 to 4 but thats it, call me crazy but I didn't see much landing , Taylor was connecting with Abrahams gloves all night long. I thought even if Abraham had a little flurry during each round , it had a much bigger effect than what Jermain was doing. Abraham like Wladimir plays head games with their opponents in my eyes. Wlad won't use his powerful right hand much but when he does its devastating ,and Abraham is very unpredictable to when he is going to unleash, they both really keep their opponents honest.
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Post by smoothstyle1 on Oct 19, 2009 9:26:33 GMT -5
Taylor landed more than Abraham but his punches were very ineffective. He kept throwing a weak jab that was blocked by Abraham's high guard. I gave Abraham rounds in which he may have only landed 5 punches, but they were much more effective punches than Taylor's 25-20 weak jabs.
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Post by Charlie 21er on Oct 19, 2009 17:23:14 GMT -5
I missed three rounds when the stream went out. But I gave Taylor at least 5 rounds. I just wasn't impressed by literally 1 combination a round from Abraham. As for rounds 3, 4, 5? I don't know. I didn't see them.
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Post by Paul Magno on Oct 19, 2009 18:18:26 GMT -5
I don't know...one flurry a round compared to 2:50 of jabbing...On my scorecard, Abraham only got credit for the flurries that counted...The first half of the fight was all Taylor, just for the fact that he was actually doing something...regardless if he was mostly jabbing at gloves...Just can't bring myself around to giving a round to someone who is literally doing nothing...
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